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reason.decrystallized · Jun 17, 2008, 02:00 AM // 02:00

anyway, didn't really know where to post this, but wanted to share it. one of the main counters to permaform farming is PBAoE. well, you can fix that problem with a hero bonder. just take protective bond, mending, and watchful spirit on a hero. then add strength of honor if you are daggers, or succor if you are caster, and take offering of blood and blessed signet on the hero. voila. you are now immune to PBAoE, and most anything else that can hurt you through SF. i beat city of torc'qua (killed jadoth) NM with this and a daggers sin, and with a sliver sin can kill most of the mob in the second quest in gloom. you can also do the first bit of foundry, several dungeons, fow, etc. i posted something like it on pvx, but thought i would mention it here, too.

Kazamafury · Jun 17, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

In case someone asks.
PBAoE: Point Blank Area of Effect

I am interested what exactly you ran your heroes to do City. If you are able to do City, I think Gloom should be possible as well. And if it is an interest of just completing the area, then if City and Gloom is possible, then the other two might be as well.

Did you try doing Bogroots by any chance?

reason.decrystallized · Jun 17, 2008, 02:29 AM // 02:29

I did city while still developing the build with a crappier version. run this, as it's better than what i actually used (don't know how to make it look pretty yet):
you: GoS, DP, SF, Golden Fox Strike, Wild Strike, Death Blossom, Critical Eye, Critical Agility. daggers 11+3, shadow 10+1+3, Crits 10+3.

hero: Offering of Blood, Blessed Signet, Signet of Devotion, Strength of Honor, Mending, Watchful Spirit, Protective Bond, Rebirth (or w/e if you don't think you'll die :P). attributes: DF 4+3, healing 10+3, protection 9+1+3, smiting 9+3, blood 7.

that will kill jadoth, and god knows what else.

gloom is a b**** because of chained Protector's Defense + healing, though I have rescued the order of whispers (first quest) with it. with a hybrid slivers/daggers build i beat the second quest, too, but couldn't quite do the third. still working on it. in HM, though, a sliverform assassin with a similar bonder (drop SoH for Succor and raise blood) can beat the first quest every time and kill most of the huge mob around the portal. incredibly fast way to farm LB points.

as for dungeons, i have done Snowmen and Dagrimmar with the daggers HM. it WON'T work in frostmaw--incubus things screw you--and i haven't tried any others yet.

also works great in FoW--will beat one Shadow Army monk in HM, or two in NM.

edit: oh and btw, i was lightbringer r4 when i beat city, and the build i used at the time only had 8+3 smiting. with 9+3 smiting and higher lightbringer, it would go faster :P

one more edit: Foundry is possible, but PBAoE blind is annoying, and Shockwave drains energy fast. kiting is required--that said, you can beat any given mob given enough time, but then the secondary pop-ups kill the hero. if you could avoid those problems somehow, then you could do it. veil has a LOT of touch-based lifesteal, which avoids both shadow form and protective bond. i have a theory that using a ranger with symbiosis and QZ, so that the sin could take lots of heals instead of DP+GoS, might be able to do it, but i'm not sure.

Kazamafury · Jun 17, 2008, 02:57 AM // 02:57

Thank you for the quick reply!

Here's the template, they improved the code where now all you need to do is type out the skill name. I am a bit lazy to put in the attributes.

you:
[Glyph of Swiftness][Deadly Paradox][Shadow form][Golden Fox Strike][Wild Strike][Death Blossom][Critical Eye][Critical Agility]

hero:
[Offering of Blood][Blessed Signet][Signet of Devotion][Strength of Honor][Mending][Watchful Spirit][Protective Bond][Rebirth]

Before I read your post, I tried to run something similar with the typical fire elly side but either they were overhealing and removing mark of rodgorts or QZ was causing issues: energy issue, margonite ki's healing like crazy.

I'll try this out, thanks!

reason.decrystallized · Jun 17, 2008, 03:00 AM // 03:00

QZ helps you--it makes your attacks recharge faster, AND it lets you cast SF without using glyph or DP. it also drains the healers of their energy, which is what lets you kill lord jadoth's mob of multiple healers and a monk boss. bunch them all together so that DB hits everything, they try to heal its damage to all thirty margonites, and then they run out of energy and die.

Kerwyn Nasilan · Jun 17, 2008, 03:03 AM // 03:03

Lol only a while befor Perma sin smashed DoA into the ground. GG on build. Might have to yank sin threw NF : )

Kazamafury · Jun 17, 2008, 03:14 AM // 03:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by reason.decrystallized

QZ helps you--it makes your attacks recharge faster, AND it lets you cast SF without using glyph or DP. it also drains the healers of their energy, which is what lets you kill lord jadoth's mob of multiple healers and a monk boss. bunch them all together so that DB hits everything, they try to heal its damage to all thirty margonites, and then they run out of energy and die.

Probably is the case when running the death blossom, with the fire build, it is hard to deal enough damage with Mark of Rodgorts and Lava Font because even one monk can over heal the damage. Though, I did not take account the fact I don't need to use DP, that will probably help with energy. Anyway, tried with the blossom build, works great.

Abedeus · Jun 17, 2008, 06:45 AM // 06:45

You of course do know that this has been suggested like 3 times at least, not counting maaaany times before easy perma SF? Even on PvX there is already such a team build.

fireflyry · Jun 17, 2008, 07:13 AM // 07:13

Agreed.

Posting or discussing GW content, builds or ideas that have previously been posted ANYWHERE else on the interwebs is highly forbidden and is punishable by wet willy.

Oh hang on...it's a GW forum.

reason.decrystallized · Jun 17, 2008, 01:04 PM // 13:04

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

You of course do know that this has been suggested like 3 times at least, not counting maaaany times before easy perma SF? Even on PvX there is already such a team build.

yes, i know. i made it.

where are the links to other discussions here? i'd be interested to hear what other people have to say on the subject.

CE Devilman · Jun 17, 2008, 04:31 PM // 16:31

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10256215
might work on a perma sin to.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Protective_Bond
and yes heros can go 18 in Protection Prayers

but heros eat a lot of drops...bigtime

Super Igor · Jun 17, 2008, 04:41 PM // 16:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abedeus

You of course do know that this has been suggested like 3 times at least, not counting maaaany times before easy perma SF? Even on PvX there is already such a team build.

The build on pvx is reason's build as far as I know.

Oh and he (or she lol) found all the farming spots too.

reason.decrystallized · Jun 17, 2008, 06:52 PM // 18:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by CE Devilman

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...php?t=10256215
might work on a perma sin to.

http://guildwars.wikia.com/wiki/Protective_Bond
and yes heros can go 18 in Protection Prayers

but heros eat a lot of drops...bigtime

nice build, looks fun.

you only rarely need the 18 with a permaform, though--even the huge mobs in the gloom quest or city won't run the hero out of energy, and this way you don't use a con and have more attribs left over for other stuff. it's only a bit of a problem when fighting stuff with IW (tortured spirits), or the mass of rage titans in the third room of foundry. but with them just kite and you're fine.

and yeah, it's true about the heroes eating drops, but when it's only one hero and you're talking about blowing through hundreds of torment creatures in a few minutes (nm with daggers or hm with slivers, or some combination), it doesn't really matter.

reason.decrystallized · Jun 19, 2008, 08:04 PM // 20:04

okay, using the caster bonder + slivers i just killed the greater darkness in hm in under 45 minutes. wtf.

edit: and now i beat the whole area and got the chest in 40 minutes ...